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Hi all,
I don’t know if this is the right part of the forum, or if topics like this are allowed. If so, I apologize in advance.
Since there are many europeans on this forum I wanted to share a political issue that is very dear to me:
I light of the terrorist attacks in Paris, the European Commission has made plans to tighten gun control in the EU. None of these plans would actually hinder future terrorists from obtaining black-market assault rifles, but will instead make life harder for legal gun owners in Europe: Sport Shooters, Hunters, Collectors.
The press release can be found here: (Google “European Commission strengthens control of firearms across the EU”)
Among other things, the planned legislation includes:
There is a petition against the new legislation: “EU : You cannot stop terrorism by restricting legal gun ownership.” on change.org
You can also write to your representatives on the European Commission, I am already planning to do so.
[EDIT] : The URLs were not on the approved list…
You know it seems like they’re missing something here. Why is there no talk of banning suicide vests?? Those were also used in the attacks. No common sense suicide vest control? Weird.
Seriously though…Would these laws have prevented any deaths in the Paris attack? No? It’s almost like the proposed laws have nothing to do with preventing a terrorist attack at all.
I was pondering guns the other day. A family member had a few guns and was into his target shooting. He had a 38 target pistol, an old Luger and a 45. He’s a U.K. Resident and gave them up a while ago after changes to the gun law. I do feel for serious target shooters losing their sport.
I can see both sides of the gun argument. The first side is if guns were as redily available in the U.K. would we have more problems than we have. With easier access would a terrorist attack be made easier ?
But then there is the other side, would having more guns around act as a deterrent? Would people think twice not knowing if the guy next to you could be armed? I can see why some may also not want to go with out a fight.
Unfortunately though these terrorist wouldn’t think twice, indeed they know they aren’t coming out of it alive.
In the light of recent attacks I do however feel that perhaps it’s time for all our Police to be armed. From what we are told and it only makes sense, an attack on U.K. soil with the present ratio of cops with guns would result in a slow response. That slow response would result in a lot of loss.
I know one thing too my air rifle won’t help much.
The full auto AKs that the terrorists in Paris used cost less to buy on the European Black Market than to obtain legally in the US.
About 30 to 60 times less if the news is to be believed.
My thoughts on the matter should be clear.
This is one of the reasons I emigrated to the states. I became tired of some of the laws being passed in England, firearms confiscation, Poll Tax, pocket knives… And on, and on.
Once got stopped and ticketed in England, for having a headlight out. Pointed out to the two cops that their headlight was also out. Their answer, “That’s not the point.”
If you were doing the speed limit, you could still get stopped for going Too fast for road conditions.
The firearms ban in England came after the tragic events at Dunblane, but the bans, as most laws of this kind do, only affected the law-abiding citizen. Those who hold no respect for the law, will not abide by the laws.
And so, shootings happen everyday in England, as the lawless are still able to attain firearms.Longbow_06 said: ↑
This is one of the reasons I emigrated to the states. I became tired of some of the laws being passed in England, firearms confiscation, Poll Tax, pocket knives… And on, and on.
Once got stopped and ticketed in England, for having a headlight out. Pointed out to the two cops that their headlight was also out. Their answer, “That’s not the point.”
If you were doing the speed limit, you could still get stopped for going Too fast for road conditions.
The firearms ban in England came after the tragic events at Dunblane, but the bans, as most laws of this kind do, only affected the law-abiding citizen. Those who hold no respect for the law, will not abide by the laws.
And so, shootings happen everyday in England, as the lawless are still able to attain firearms.
A poll tax….like, an actual poll tax?What were they thinking?
London would be my favorite place I’ve been if it weren’t for the sinking feeling that I’m probably doing something I don’t know is illegal on camera.
Devon Scout said: ↑
I can see both sides of the gun argument.
Look at the statistics again without the places where carry is only for the rich and political elite.Its amusing where british polititians want to ban guns ! These are the same people who surround themselves not only with normal police but also armed police ! If you are to believe them you would think they were shot at every day. When they have their meetings the conference cntrs and the hotels they use are turned into veritable fortresses ! They also live mostly in low crime areas but claim they are at risk ! But at the same time claim the general public are safe ! How many times in the last x number of years have polititians been targeted apart from brighton bombing and then look at how many times joe publics been attacked ! they live in a totally different reality where they think if they ban guns criminals wont be able to get hold of them !
Longbow_06 said: ↑
The firearms ban in England came after the tragic events at Dunblane, but the bans, as most laws of this kind do, only affected the law-abiding citizen. Those who hold no respect for the law, will not abide by the laws.
And so, shootings happen everyday in England, as the lawless are still able to attain firearms.
It’s so sad that those making the laws are blind to this, even sadder to think that some are ignorant as pipey points out, ignorant to the point of affecting only the law abiding citizens. So tired of the anti-gunners feigning ignorance to the obvious. They are already illegal but we need to make more illegal, that will fix it. While arming citiznery may not be a deterrent it could possibly save lives, possibly, isn’t that one of the things anti-gunners talk about, possibly saving a life? I feel for those of you overseas who are fearful of defending yourself for fear of becoming the criminal, it’s so ridiculous to me, just beyond comprehension. Sorry.pipey said: ↑
Its amusing where british polititians want to ban guns ! These are the same people who surround themselves not only with normal police but also armed police ! If you are to believe them you would think they were shot at every day. When they have their meetings the conference cntrs and the hotels they use are turned into veritable fortresses ! They also live mostly in low crime areas but claim they are at risk ! But at the same time claim the general public are safe ! How many times in the last x number of years have polititians been targeted apart from brighton bombing and then look at how many times joe publics been attacked ! they live in a totally different reality where they think if they ban guns criminals wont be able to get hold of them !Longbow_06 said: ↑
The firearms ban in England came after the tragic events at Dunblane, but the bans, as most laws of this kind do, only affected the law-abiding citizen. Those who hold no respect for the law, will not abide by the laws.
And so, shootings happen everyday in England, as the lawless are still able to attain firearms.
It’s so sad that those making the laws are blind to this, even sadder to think that some are ignorant as pipey points out, ignorant to the point of affecting only the law abiding citizens. So tired of the anti-gunners feigning ignorance to the obvious. They are already illegal but we need to make more illegal, that will fix it. While arming citiznery may not be a deterrent it could possibly save lives, possibly, isn’t that one of the things anti-gunners talk about, possibly saving a life? I feel for those of you overseas who are fearful of defending yourself for fear of becoming the criminal, it’s so ridiculous to me, just beyond comprehension. Sorry.pipey said: ↑
Its amusing where british polititians want to ban guns ! These are the same people who surround themselves not only with normal police but also armed police ! If you are to believe them you would think they were shot at every day. When they have their meetings the conference cntrs and the hotels they use are turned into veritable fortresses ! They also live mostly in low crime areas but claim they are at risk ! But at the same time claim the general public are safe ! How many times in the last x number of years have polititians been targeted apart from brighton bombing and then look at how many times joe publics been attacked ! they live in a totally different reality where they think if they ban guns criminals wont be able to get hold of them !Longbow_06 said: ↑
The firearms ban in England came after the tragic events at Dunblane, but the bans, as most laws of this kind do, only affected the law-abiding citizen. Those who hold no respect for the law, will not abide by the laws.
And so, shootings happen everyday in England, as the lawless are still able to attain firearms.
It’s so sad that those making the laws are blind to this, even sadder to think that some are ignorant as pipey points out, ignorant to the point of affecting only the law abiding citizens. So tired of the anti-gunners feigning ignorance to the obvious. They are already illegal but we need to make more illegal, that will fix it. While arming citiznery may not be a deterrent it could possibly save lives, possibly, isn’t that one of the things anti-gunners talk about, possibly saving a life? I feel for those of you overseas who are fearful of defending yourself for fear of becoming the criminal, it’s so ridiculous to me, just beyond comprehension. Sorry.pipey said: ↑
Its amusing where british polititians want to ban guns ! These are the same people who surround themselves not only with normal police but also armed police ! If you are to believe them you would think they were shot at every day. When they have their meetings the conference cntrs and the hotels they use are turned into veritable fortresses ! They also live mostly in low crime areas but claim they are at risk ! But at the same time claim the general public are safe ! How many times in the last x number of years have polititians been targeted apart from brighton bombing and then look at how many times joe publics been attacked ! they live in a totally different reality where they think if they ban guns criminals wont be able to get hold of them !Longbow_06 said: ↑
The firearms ban in England came after the tragic events at Dunblane, but the bans, as most laws of this kind do, only affected the law-abiding citizen. Those who hold no respect for the law, will not abide by the laws.
And so, shootings happen everyday in England, as the lawless are still able to attain firearms.
It’s so sad that those making the laws are blind to this, even sadder to think that some are ignorant as pipey points out, ignorant to the point of affecting only the law abiding citizens. So tired of the anti-gunners feigning ignorance to the obvious. They are already illegal but we need to make more illegal, that will fix it. While arming citiznery may not be a deterrent it could possibly save lives, possibly, isn’t that one of the things anti-gunners talk about, possibly saving a life? I feel for those of you overseas who are fearful of defending yourself for fear of becoming the criminal, it’s so ridiculous to me, just beyond comprehension. Sorry.pipey said: ↑
Its amusing where british polititians want to ban guns ! These are the same people who surround themselves not only with normal police but also armed police ! If you are to believe them you would think they were shot at every day. When they have their meetings the conference cntrs and the hotels they use are turned into veritable fortresses ! They also live mostly in low crime areas but claim they are at risk ! But at the same time claim the general public are safe ! How many times in the last x number of years have polititians been targeted apart from brighton bombing and then look at how many times joe publics been attacked ! they live in a totally different reality where they think if they ban guns criminals wont be able to get hold of them !Typical politician knee jerk reaction to try and look like they’re doing something because they’re too politically correct to actually do something.
Problem is our esteemed leader “call me dave” says he will do all he can to help police tackle crime whilst cutting their budget so much its now imo affecting front line policing. The police in this country would not be able to cope with a paris style attack ! They ran a scenario in london with terrorist doing a paris style attack BUT they brought in firearms units from all over the show ! In reality the firearms units deployed in london wouldnt cope ! Theres not enough of them but as usual call me dave and his cohorts mantra to joe public is your safe ! But hey just my opinion.
my maternal grandfather was a Robertson (Thom clan) and came to the US as a small boy… during WWI a relative had served in France, and brought home a SW 1917 revolver in .45acp which he was given… during the “guns for England” drive preceding out entry into WWII, Grandpa donated it to be sent to the British Home Guard… please send it back…facetiousness implied
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