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Even knife laws are draconian in the uk ! Iv been stopped while going to the boat club where friend keeps his boat to go fishing ! I was Carrying couple of fishing rods and they obviously had nothing better to do. Asked why i had a knife on me (knife was in fishing bag) err going fishing to which i got the reply “dont be funny” eventually was allowed to carry on ! But this is how stupid its now got. i have heard of people being arrested for having a penknife in the glove box in their car (talking old people here) we have a few places locally that sell “uk legal knives” problem is if your stopped and dont have “good reason” for carrying it it can be confiscated and you can be arrested for carrying it. All designed by our govt to make britain safe ! Shame the criminals dont go along with these laws hence why imo our govt live on another planet
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Even knife laws are draconian in the uk ! Iv been stopped while going to the boat club where friend keeps his boat to go fishing ! I was Carrying couple of fishing rods and they obviously had nothing better to do. Asked why i had a knife on me (knife was in fishing bag) err going fishing to which i got the reply “dont be funny” eventually was allowed to carry on ! But this is how stupid its now got. i have heard of people being arrested for having a penknife in the glove box in their car (talking old people here) we have a few places locally that sell “uk legal knives” problem is if your stopped and dont have “good reason” for carrying it it can be confiscated and you can be arrested for carrying it. All designed by our govt to make britain safe ! Shame the criminals dont go along with these laws hence why imo our govt live on another planet
Is indeed crazy here in the U.K. I seem to recall something about a high percentage of knife arrests being people with domestic knives, i.e. carving/ kitchen knives. Unless you’re a cook on your way to work, well you deserve that. I’d never carry one in my glove box, I keep one knife in the car, that’s a Gerber Multi tool and it sits in the boot under the floor with the spare wheel in the tool roll. I suppose it’s concealed but I’m pretty sure if stopped and searched it’s in a safe place with other tools. Hardly something I can get to quickly. But for the decent person wanting to carry a small knife it’s all against you. Mine in the car is a throw back to having wheel trims which I cable locked on to prevent theft. Try getting a cable lock off in the pouring rain without.As a Scout leader I don’t carry a knife all the time, I don’t carry one on meetings. But if it’s a camp I do, one stays on my belt on site and the others locked away. But carrying one on site could still get you in to trouble as they are all classified as public places. That said I doubt any officer would arrest a Scout Leader on camp, unless I had a mental moment and was running around with it threatening people. Indeed as a Scout Leader I do feel I have a duty to teach safe knife handling. Then again some Scout Leaders won’t have knives anywhere near. Which personally I find stupid. Teach them safety !
Let’s also face it with the Police cuts there’s little chance of being stopped by them. There’s non on the beat and where I live you can go days with out seeing one. All you see is PCSO’s, that’s Police Community Support Officers. For our American Friends, they dress up similar to the Police, they are Police but have watered down powers of arrest. In my experience a chocolate fire guard is slightly more useful. If your in the U.K. At anytime it’s the ones with blue hat bands. They are also closing all the smaller Police Stations and unlike in the past they don’t even deal with lost property, so if you find something of value it seems like it’s up to you to try to reunite it with its owner.
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problem is if your stopped and dont have “good reason” for carrying it it can be confiscated and you can be arrested for carrying it.Not sure that’s actually true?
“Liked” to thank you for posting. I should point out for our UK friends that, unfortunately, there are pockets of what I can only call “Knife and/or Gun Stupidy” here in the USA: New York City; Washington, DC, etc.
Fortunately, I live in a gun and knife friendly State, where in my area due to the high numbers of military and law enforcement residents about 50% of households have at least one gun … and someone who knows how to use it!
As a retired law enforcement officer I carry every time I am out and about. My opinion is that if more people carried we’d have even less crime.
When I was in a class at school, we got to talking about laws and how/why they are made, and how they’re actually applied. Turns out a lot of laws are passed after major incidents but the application decrees are never published. What does that give you? A very nice smoke screen to reassure the average person that doesn’t seek to think further than what TV feeds his/her brain.
And just a little reminder, a few years ago (2 or 3) the gun laws in France actually got better. Example would be a Mosin Nagant, that was still categorized as a war weapon. Now in the hunting rifle category, much much easier to get. Mosins cost about 300€ here. Also reduced the age of semi automatic rifles and pistols from 21 to 18, shotguns were put back on the “allowed” list… Ho and about France, there are way too many hunters using iether shotguns or semi auto 12 cal to ban them.
I’m not saying that we shouldn’t protect our rights, but understanding how population control works helps you focus on the real issues.
Ho and about guns, the mayor of Paris wants the municipal police to get guns. This city is beginning to feel like a war zone with all the armed security everywhereGilatabar said: ↑
When I was in a class at school, we got to talking about laws and how/why they are made, and how they’re actually applied. Turns out a lot of laws are passed after major incidents but the application decrees are never published. What does that give you? A very nice smoke screen to reassure the average person that doesn’t seek to think further than what TV feeds his/her brain.And just a little reminder, a few years ago (2 or 3) the gun laws in France actually got better. Example would be a Mosin Nagant, that was still categorized as a war weapon. Now in the hunting rifle category, much much easier to get. Mosins cost about 300€ here. Also reduced the age of semi automatic rifles and pistols from 21 to 18, shotguns were put back on the “allowed” list… Ho and about France, there are way too many hunters using iether shotguns or semi auto 12 cal to ban them.
I’m not saying that we shouldn’t protect our rights, but understanding how population control works helps you focus on the real issues.
Ho and about guns, the mayor of Paris wants the municipal police to get guns. This city is beginning to feel like a war zone with all the armed security everywhere
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Must indeed me scary times, stay safe.At least you have a large armed Police force which can react quickly. U.K. Police numbers are falling and there doesn’t from what we told seem to be enough armed officers for any sort of quick response.
I just can’t fathom unarmed cops.
I get that it’s a historical and cultural thing….but, I just don’t get it. And that’s in a place where cops only get 50 rounds a month to train with.
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I just can’t fathom unarmed cops.I get that it’s a historical and cultural thing….but, I just don’t get it. And that’s in a place where cops only get 50 rounds a month to train with.
They do get a stick and some have a taser.Devon Scout said: ↑
They do get a stick and some have a taser.
As a retired cop even I agree with the saying that “When danger threatens, the police are minutes away.” Thus, my agreement that more armed cops in the UK would reduce the need to wait for armed response officers.moostapha said: ↑
…And that’s in a place where cops only get 50 rounds a month to train with.
As far as I know here it is about a hundred rounds of mandatory training … in a year!Cobra 6 Actual said: ↑
“Liked” to thank you for posting. I should point out for our UK friends that, unfortunately, there are pockets of what I can only call “Knife and/or Gun Stupidy” here in the USA: New York City; Washington, DC, etc.Fortunately, I live in a gun and knife friendly State, where in my area due to the high numbers of military and law enforcement residents about 50% of households have at least one gun … and someone who knows how to use it!
As a retired law enforcement officer I carry every time I am out and about. My opinion is that if more people carried we’d have even less crime.
……..Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles…………
it should also be noted that these “pockets” are also some of the highest violent crime areas in the USA
it’s become obvious to the criminals in these “pockets” that they are the only ones carrying the gunsTrickster said: ↑
Hi all,I don’t know if this is the right part of the forum, or if topics like this are allowed. If so, I apologize in advance.
Since there are many europeans on this forum I wanted to share a political issue that is very dear to me:
I light of the terrorist attacks in Paris, the European Commission has made plans to tighten gun control in the EU. None of these plans would actually hinder future terrorists from obtaining black-market assault rifles, but will instead make life harder for legal gun owners in Europe: Sport Shooters, Hunters, Collectors.
The press release can be found here: (Google “European Commission strengthens control of firearms across the EU”)
Among other things, the planned legislation includes:
There is a petition against the new legislation: “EU : You cannot stop terrorism by restricting legal gun ownership.” on change.org
You can also write to your representatives on the European Commission, I am already planning to do so.
[EDIT] : The URLs were not on the approved list…
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“Never let a good crisis/tragedy go to waste”Law states “carrying a knife in public without good reason UNLESS the blade ìs 3″ or less” ie swiss army knife ! BUT if a police officer stops you and he thinks you may be upto “no good” then he can arrest you. The knife laws in the uk are draconian. I personally carry a leatherman attached to my bag but because its partially covered by the main flap on my h4 kato i’v not had any probs so far with that.the fishing knife incident was just farcical, think i was stopped by an officer who was having a bad day ! The other prob we have started having is people who airsoft. Locally we had armed police do a hard stop few weeks ago on carload of lads on way to airsoft site. Turns out someone rang police to report car load of men dressed in camo gear. So the 2 sites near us now tell players to not come to sites dressed ready to play !
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I can see both sides of the gun argument. The first side is if guns were as redily available in the U.K. would we have more problems than we have.
Yes, I do wonder if we would just end up with far more shootings/murders like the States have. I am all for one being able to protect ones self etc, the laws here do seem to be against us on that whole aspect, you got to be very careful or you’ll find yourself being prosecuted for defending yourself/property.Given the choice to be able to defend ones self and family, or not to, against criminals who will ALWAYS have weapons, to me, is a no brainer.
To give up that option makes no one safer (with the exception of the criminal, of course), to think otherwise is delusional.
What is a person thinking when they are being attacked, assaulted, or raped; “Gee, if I had a means to protect myself, wife, children, I could turn this nightmare around, but it’s for our collective own good that I can’t?”
Ask the victims of the recent attacks in Paris what they think.
Ask the father of a child rape victim what he thinks.
Ask the family of victims in a home invasion robbery what they think.
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