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I get where you are coming from, I my self have been in several different roles as a EMS supervisor, safety officer, now working at a gov agency etc. at many large events (200+) in europe. The pattern of injury besides the regular medical emergencies like chest pain, hypoglycemia, respiratory distress, heat stroke can be various of penetrating trauma at larger events. stabbings with box cutter knives etc. as well as fractures and dislocations. seems to be quite common unfortunately. I highly commend your dedication to carry an IFAK.
Have you looked at the tasmanian tiger pouches?
like tasmanian tiger pouch 3. I have been using their pouches for exactly the same as you are looking for for several years. they have been great and come in alot of sizes.They also have dedicated IFAK pouches. which are flat and quite low profile and is easily coverd by a reflective vest (which is what im using along with a dedicated TQ pouch with a CAT g7.
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I get where you are coming from, I my self have been in several different roles as a EMS supervisor, safety officer, now working at a gov agency etc. at many large events (200+) in europe. The pattern of injury besides the regular medical emergencies like chest pain, hypoglycemia, respiratory distress, heat stroke can be various of penetrating trauma at larger events. stabbings with box cutter knives etc. as well as fractures and dislocations. seems to be quite common unfortunately. I highly commend your dedication to carry an IFAK.
Have you looked at the tasmanian tiger pouches?
like tasmanian tiger pouch 3. I have been using their pouches for exactly the same as you are looking for for several years. they have been great and come in alot of sizes.
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They also have dedicated IFAK pouches. which are flat and quite low profile and is easily coverd by a reflective vest (which is what im using along with a dedicated TQ pouch with a CAT g7.
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OHO :bounce: I’ve got one of their larger pouches for an extended edc tool kit, but didn’t know they did a TFAK as well. I’ll look into that, thanks! 😀(A couple of hours later…)
OK, got home from work, and had a look. Interesting. Maybe a bit bit for the small of the back lumbar pad idea, but you gave me another thought. the four items don’t necessarily have to be carried together in one pouch; the tourniquet could be carried in a pouch on it’s own on the belt, with the other, less bulky items, carried in pockets elsewhere; the chest seals, for example, could be carried in one of the inside chest pockets of the blazer, the FFD in one pocket, the triangular bandage in another. HOwever, a problem arises when it’s shirtsleeves order, with no jacket.
Hmm.
Never as simple as one first thinks, this kinda thing, is it? :giggle:
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Hmm. Size and attachment are both good. However, the glaring omission on supplied med kit in this would be a tourniquet. That’s a bit surprising, all things considered 😮
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Why not just buy it empty, then add what you feel necessary?Boudreaux said: ↑
Why not just buy it empty, then add what you feel necessary?
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Apologies, a bit of a rant in response (been one of those days, sadly)…Not at 68 bucks for an empty pouch 😮 I can sometimes be a bit loose with my wallet, but my team mates, not so much. Hell, the darn thing’s way out of budget range with even basic medkit supplies ($129), let alone advanced medkit supplies ($200) – and let’s not then forget that this has to be shipped from the USA to the UK, which ain’t cheap by any stretch of the imagination, especially when you then remember to add the UK importation fees and duties. 😮
Don’t get me wrong: It’s an excellent bit of design work, and the kit included (if you opt for it) is well selected. But, the cost. WOW, the cost. :frantic:
Four items need to be in our STK (Small Trauma Kit). FFD, Tourniquet, chest seals, and a triangular bandage (no tracheal tubes or decompression needles, we’re not paramedics or advanced first responders or whatnot). That’s it. I may be trained in certain aspects of advanced life saving, but not my team mates, who have basic training only, and whose training costs come out of their own pockets (volunteers, remember, with full time jobs they have to tend to, and families to feed… and oh yeah, this is the UK, where we ain’t paid [deleted] properly, compared to the US equivalent jobs, dammit), so the kit must be reasonably effective, affordable, mission-specific, capable of being used by basic life-saving trained ex-military people, and small in size, given the volume of kit already carried, and also remembering that we have to clamber in and out of vehicles to drive them, while carrying all of this clutter.
I do appreciate the idea, but cost-wise, it’s just a non-starter, sorry.
I’m open to other ideas, mind, so keep ’em coming 🙂
Again, sorry for the slightly rantish reply.
Just a few thoughts (bearing in mind this is actually something I do).
You’ve said a few times that you are all volunteers. Is everyone trained in how to use the items they are carrying?
Do you have insurance?
If you are providing your services for free, why don’t you see if the organisations who ask for you to attend these events would be willing to purchase a small number of medical goods.
And finally, in addition to the list of items you have above, please add a Sharpie to all the kits so that you can write TQ time on people.
As mentioned a few posts above, we’re all former RMP (Royal Military Police). The Army does give some good training, and that’s where the major training we had came from. Since then, we’ve taken civilian equivalent courses (HSE FA, SIA accredited courses etc) to keep those training levels current (and they ain’t cheap, some of ’em). We are insured, also as mentioned earlier.
Interesting thought re med supplies; hadn’ t thought of that. I’ll look into it, thanks.
I actually have sharpies in my main bergan-mounted TFAK, as well as the car TFAK. Completely slipped my mind to include one for the STK! 😳 Good catch, thanks 😀
If you’re struggling to find a good belt mounted option, would an ankle rig work? Assuming you’re wearing trousers, it’s fairly unobtrusive
I’ve seen the rigs you’re on about; those were one of the first suggestions I made to the rest of the team, but it was voted down. Oh well. Back to the drawing board…
Roger, I appreciate you want to standardise things across a team. Maybe you could just tell your chaps to do whatever they want to do, and feel comfortable with doing, when it comes to these things. While one may be happy with an ankle rig and another isn’t, you do stress that you are all former RMP. I assume there is no dress regs now, hence the “former”.
I am confused as to what it is you’re doing. I work as a press medic, providing medical support to colleagues during demonstration, protests and hostile environments. The reasons I asked about insurance is because what happens to you if one of your team is injured and can’t work, is that covered or is it just public liability. Also, when it comes to training is it in date, with certificates to prove it?
I have so many other questions, like will you provide aid to people who have been cuffed, who are you cuffing, what kind of events, blah blah blah, which you might not want to say on an open forum. But I think you are in a precarious position…
Yeah, there are things I really can’t talk about on here, correct. Re training, yep, it’s all certificated. Re insurance, it’s PLI & (can’t remember the actual term, not near my files, as I’m at work, but it’s the first aider equivalent of malpractice-based.
Re Loadouts, it’s a valid consideration, but let’s see the other avenues exhausted first, I
OK, as part of the overall thinking regarding this STK, we’re re-specifying a couple of items.
Instead of the SOF-TT(Gen2), we’re going to go with the SOFTT-W, which can be staged much more compactly (i.e., flatter), due to it not possessing the wind-down clamp of the gen 2 version.
Instead of a FFD, we’re going with a 5×9 combine ABD pad, which again packs much more compactly (does pretty-much the same job, but without the bandaging).
As a result of the space saving, we’re able to add 4″x4″ burn shield dressing.
These in addition to the vented chest seal and triangular bandage.
We decided on the ABD pad since, in combination with the triangular bandage, we can attach it to open wounds much like an FFD.Finally, until we can find a suitable pouch to carry that kit conveniently, we’re also going with a distributed carry; the tourniquet will be carried on the belt (in a skeletonised pouch), the rest in the jacket or pockets.
Ever thought about just a regular heavy duty fanny pack? Dosent get much more undercover than that 🙂 [​IMG]
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It’s not undercover work we do, merely low profile; there is a substantial difference.
We did indeed look at fanny packs, but unfortunately they do not work well when you’re wearing a blazer or suit jacket, which is what we wear for most of the work we do.
The current thinking is to carry the STK distributed around the person, in pockets where the kit does not look out of place (no bulky pockets), and on the belt if it likewise does not ‘show out’.
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