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I love guns, ive posted several of mine here, im 100% a gun and knife nutt.
Ok, ive declared where i stand with guns so the statement/question.
Ive been thinking of myself and why i carry, my for now glock 26 is IWB but when do i use it, and can i even get to it, and will i even see the attacker?
When do i use it?Do i shoot a guy that wants to fist fight me? For a while i thought yes, but then what if the cops disagree, or the DA is a liberal progressive that hates guns, im screwed. How thin is the line for when you draw and shoot, or do you even draw as a final threat to stop the attacker without shooting, at which point what if they want to call you bluff, or you drew too soon out of fear or stress, now you’re really
ed.Can you get to it? This will sound racist, and i don’t care, given the shootings int he news with the cop being killed by the thug, ill say what went through my mind at a stand and wait for my food Churches Chicken. It’s a tiny confined space, with one door, it was myself, my small asian wife and a very large black male looking very thugged out(sorry if that gets anyone’s panties in a wad) If he rushed me, my gun is useless, if i go for it, its a red flag and hand control fights start, it’s an automatic, thus even a 1/4 inch of the slide being jacked renders the gun useless. Theres always someone stronger and fast than you or me.
Can you see the attacker? Most scum that wants to rob or kill us don’t announce at the magical everywhere on youtube 21 foot rule, they will walk up behind you…you lose, they will walk right towards you within arms reach and attack…you lose.
It all seems like a catch 22 at times, how useful is the gun when the threat is directly aimed at us in a TRUE REALITY situation, not some magic james yeager internet navy seal
scenario.In the end, drawing means you jumped out of the frying pan, from that millisecond you need to decide, are you landing in the fire or landing safe.
I see crazy ideas and attitudes with people that carry, some even make the most ignorant comment in the world “better to be judged by twelve than carried by six” that statement shows they have no concept of the act of even drawing a weapon against a threat, not even using it yet, the simple act of drawing could have already been a crime if you are over reacting and mis- judging the situation. Go a step further and shoot you just arrived in a whole new reality than the one you were in 1 second ago.
I’m kinda hot headed, and at times wonder if i should carry or just buy a can of pepper spray lol….
Just wanted to vent towards the crazy types that seem to lust for a chance to use their gun, or feel it’s a suit of armor…..this came from an interaction at a local gun store.
you’re thinking about why you carry, what you’ll draw for and the consequences of your actions. That is the thought process you need every time you load that firearm and holster it
Thanks im just venting mostly, but you are correct i feel the burdern of it now i suppose thats a good thing heh.
First and foremost; take a deep breath. Then do what it is that best suits you to relax. Then think about the fact that this is a normal reaction by someone not having previously been in a violent encounter.
Go!
Then return and post about what happened in a calm, lucid manner.
Definitely worth reevaluating from time to time. If you’re not confident in your ability to let the little things go (and realize they’re almost all little things), don’t carry. If you’re not willing to take a life, don’t carry.
But, go watch YouTube clips of successful DGUs caught on CCTV and what not. What’s clear is that…
-a gun should never be your only tool; if you can’t use it or don’t need to draw it, don’t.
-in the right circumstances, they can save lives.
As far as protecting the right to carry and own, well…that’s a fundamentally (but not necessarily exclusively) American thing.
Get some good training, practice a lot and do some force on force scenarios. This will help you tremendously. A gun is just another tool, not always the best one for the job. Good training will teach you when it is and when another tool is best. I’d recommend adding the pepper spray you mentioned to your carry. It is another great tool to have with you to give you more defense options.
Judo has been a saving grace for me. When I start to carry it will be the last stop as I have good Judo training and plan on taking a knife self-defense course. Also when going into a place that I feel a threat I assess, assess, and assess. Where are my exits? How tall are they? Physical Features? Gait in their step, can I exploit that? Righty/Lefty? How far are they from me? Loose clothing? Pocket clips? Holster outlines on clothes? Speech pattern? Vernacular?
if someplace looks definitely unsafe, possibly unsafe, or like i saw a horror movie start that way, I do not reach for a gun because i do not own a gun. I do not reach for the big expensive knife in my pocket because putting that out in a bad situation is probably the quickest easiest way of losing my big expensive knife. I reach for the door i came in through, and go back out through it. then i reach for my car keys and drive someplace nicer.
I’ve driven away from movie theaters without even getting in line for a ticket because there was a big grumpy crowd reaching from the ticket booth outwards. No clue what they were upset about. no desire to find out. I drove away, did something else, and came back a few showings later to a much calmer atmopshere.
I’ve driven right on past ATMs i wanted to stop at because there were people loitering nearby who didn’t look like they were planning to leave any time soon. pedestrians hanging out in the shade on a hot day, or predators looking to corner someone and take their cash? I don’t need to find out.
I’ve always thought one of the biggest keys to self-defense using a handgun would be the element of surprise. Avoid printing and unconscious touching of the weapon. Don’t dress/act like someone who would be carrying (however you interpret that). Drawing the weapon when threatened would most likely be enough to end the majority of violent altercations. It’s probably not going to save me if someone rushes at me at close range with a knife or while being much larger and stronger than myself, but on the other hand, I have a hard time envisioning scenarios where somebody would do that.
Above all, remember that both legally and morally, you have no right to use lethal force against any human being unless you know that they have the ability, opportunity, and intent to cause immediate life-threatening bodily harm to yourself or another innocent person.
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if someplace looks definitely unsafe, possibly unsafe, or like i saw a horror movie start that way, I do not reach for a gun because i do not own a gun. I do not reach for the big expensive knife in my pocket because putting that out in a bad situation is probably the quickest easiest way of losing my big expensive knife. I reach for the door i came in through, and go back out through it. then i reach for my car keys and drive someplace nicer.I’ve driven away from movie theaters without even getting in line for a ticket because there was a big grumpy crowd reaching from the ticket booth outwards. No clue what they were upset about. no desire to find out. I drove away, did something else, and came back a few showings later to a much calmer atmopshere.
I’ve driven right on past ATMs i wanted to stop at because there were people loitering nearby who didn’t look like they were planning to leave any time soon. pedestrians hanging out in the shade on a hot day, or predators looking to corner someone and take their cash? I don’t need to find out.
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I totally agree with just avoiding trouble to begin with and if trouble starts get the heck out of there, quick.But what if you are cornered or blindsided? And for guys like me who live in a liberal/nanny state and can’t CCW legally, now what? At home I can defend myself. Outside of the home I guess I just got to pray hard when the 5HTF.
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I totally agree with just avoiding trouble to begin with and if trouble starts get the heck out of there, quick.But what if you are cornered or blindsided? And for guys like me who live in a liberal/nanny state and can’t CCW legally, now what? At home I can defend myself. Outside of the home I guess I just got to pray hard when the 5HTF.
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you can still fight, even without a gun.if you are in a situation where your awareness and avoidance hasn’t worked, and you are in a fight for your life – then FIGHT !
use whatever tools you can to get out of there alive – kick, punch, stab with your keys, pick up a chair, do what ya gotta to go home safely.
guns aren’t the only solution, and in many countries around the world, aren’t even an option for law abiding citizens.I haven’t been carrying long and I wont pretend to have all the answers, but I will try and add to what’s been said. So far there’s been quite a bit of good advice given. As stated earlier, avoiding incidents is your safest bet. If you’re the kind of person who is hoping you get to use your gun, you shouldn’t be carrying, and if you are unwilling to take a life with your gun, you shouldn’t be carrying. I’m not saying you do, I’m just putting that out there. I got my CCW and went through a basic training class on the laws, situational awareness, and basic weapons training. If you haven’t taken a class like that yet, I strongly suggest it as it will give you a far greater understanding of what to do in these situations.
As for when and when to not shoot, it’s a grey area and most people will all have a different answer. I follow what my instructor told me, despite disagreeing with a few of the things he said, but he’s been a CCW instructor for 25 years so I take what he told me seriously. What he told me is that the only time I should draw my gun is when I intend to shoot it. Meaning don’t pull it out and wave it around to try and get a handle on the situation. This gives the attacker and possibly his accomplices an opportunity to try and take it from you. If you pull your gun out, the next thing you’re going to do is pull the trigger. So if you haven’t determined that your attackers life needs to be taken, your gun shouldn’t come out. Now that’s what my instructor old me, I’m not sure if I agree with that. I get it, but I’m not sure if I share is enthusiasm for going 0-100 like that. I will likely take it on a case to case basis. However I also live in Arizona and I’m not legally required to declare my intent to shoot an attacker before shooting, but I’m told that there are a few states that actually expect you to. Or at least for home invasions, I’m not really sure, but I’d look into it for your area.
As stated before, surprise is your best bet. Don’t let anyone know you have a gun. And if a fist fight brews, do not under any circumstance take part in it. If someone hits you in the face out of nowhere, get out of the situation, leave, run if you have to, but do not fight back. If you end up in a brawl with someone and they manage to get a hold of your gun, game over. And obviously don’t start any fights when you have your gun or any weapon on you for that matter. But if you get attacked and you can’t get away and you genuinely feel that you life is in danger, then that’s the time where you decide whether or not to draw your weapon. As a rule of thumb, I don’t let anyone get close enough to me to reach my gun when I carry it. I walk in my own little bubble and I don’t let anyone get into it. And I am reasonably able to tell who is behind me as well. When I sit in restaurants, I sit with my back to a wall and I face the door. Knowing my surroundings is my first line of defense. Those are the things they teach you in a concealed weapons training course.
Is there anything really to be discussed here? You seem to be caught up in what you interprete other peoples emotions and motivations are based on a few easy to misinterprete internet conversations. I’ve been involved with a lot of conversations about guns on this forum and have seen the “rather be judged blah blah blah” statement also. But even though I hate that statement as much as any other cliche I have never once read someones post and thought they were looking for an excuse to use their weapon. My advice to you would be to figure out under what conditions you would draw and use your gun and let everyone else take care of themselves.
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