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Aside: for the non-diabetics reading this thread, there are two types of diabetes, type 1, which is generally insulin-dependent and type 2, AKA adult-onset, which is often managed by oral meds, such as metformin. A “type 1.5” is also emerging, usually an insulin-managed adult-onset diabetic. There are essentially two types of insulin for type 1 diabetics, fast acting (humalog and variants) and slow acting (lantus)
I think i’ll definitely post the high points of the article here before it goes to publication. (i think my somewhat snide sense of humour is more appreciated here :p )
I’ve found a couple ways around the 1-3 month supply and keep about 6 months. I’m lucky i’m on Lantus only. Lantus stores about 1 month at room temp, but I’ve been told by my lab buddies that storing it in cool (<40 deg) water is as good as keeping it in the fridge, allowing it to last almost to the expiration date. Reason #88756 why all three of our bug-out locations are on mountain-fed streams.
I agree with you Clead, i'll take survival over a glucose spike any day, but for some folks, eating a bunch of MREs or Mountain Home stuff, 1000mg of carbs could be fatal. Too many folks, amazingly, including many diabetics, think that sugar is the bad-guy, when it's really carbs.
I'm seeing some studies that say that green tea and Bitter Melon derivatives do an incredible job of lowering glucose without insulin....so maybe that is our temporary solution for situations where you can't carry insulin with you for extended periods.
I'm seeing a trend here that i think i'm going to need to address: Tactical Insulin Carry methods. (oh, stop it, i know what you're thinking...some of you people are buying tactical PENS, for god's sake.....)
Aside: for the non-diabetics reading this thread, there are two types of diabetes, type 1, which is generally insulin-dependent and type 2, AKA adult-onset, which is often managed by oral meds, such as metformin. A “type 1.5” is also emerging, usually an insulin-managed adult-onset diabetic. There are essentially two types of insulin for type 1 diabetics, fast acting (humalog and variants) and slow acting (lantus)
I think i’ll definitely post the high points of the article here before it goes to publication. (i think my somewhat snide sense of humour is more appreciated here :p )
I’ve found a couple ways around the 1-3 month supply and keep about 6 months. I’m lucky i’m on Lantus only. Lantus stores about 1 month at room temp, but I’ve been told by my lab buddies that storing it in cool (<40 deg) water is as good as keeping it in the fridge, allowing it to last almost to the expiration date. Reason #88756 why all three of our bug-out locations are on mountain-fed streams.
I agree with you Clead, i'll take survival over a glucose spike any day, but for some folks, eating a bunch of MREs or Mountain Home stuff, 1000mg of carbs could be fatal. Too many folks, amazingly, including many diabetics, think that sugar is the bad-guy, when it's really carbs.
I'm seeing some studies that say that green tea and Bitter Melon derivatives do an incredible job of lowering glucose without insulin....so maybe that is our temporary solution for situations where you can't carry insulin with you for extended periods.
I'm seeing a trend here that i think i'm going to need to address: Tactical Insulin Carry methods. (oh, stop it, i know what you're thinking...some of you people are buying tactical PENS, for god's sake.....)
Many mail order prescriptions will allow for a 3 month supply. Talk to your doctor. Tell them you would like to keep some extra meds around for emergencies. Mind gave me some extra meds to keep on hand. I am type I and unfortunately in a total societal breakdown I am up the creek without a paddle. It also helps to have a friend or two in the medical field.
Rongoms:
Please keep us posted on your article. I would love to read it.
Many mail order prescriptions will allow for a 3 month supply. Talk to your doctor. Tell them you would like to keep some extra meds around for emergencies. Mind gave me some extra meds to keep on hand. I am type I and unfortunately in a total societal breakdown I am up the creek without a paddle. It also helps to have a friend or two in the medical field.
Rongoms:
Please keep us posted on your article. I would love to read it.
I’m glad someone’s taking a look at this. I’m a type I, but I simply keep at least 1 month’s backup in the fridge, and I could grab it if need be. As far as the carbs go, for me I would take short term survival over long term damage and just adapt as best as I could. I’m on Lantus/Humalog, so that would mean taking a LOT of Humalog, but it could be somewhat dealt with.
I’m glad someone’s taking a look at this. I’m a type I, but I simply keep at least 1 month’s backup in the fridge, and I could grab it if need be. As far as the carbs go, for me I would take short term survival over long term damage and just adapt as best as I could. I’m on Lantus/Humalog, so that would mean taking a LOT of Humalog, but it could be somewhat dealt with.
I’m glad someone’s taking a look at this. I’m a type I, but I simply keep at least 1 month’s backup in the fridge, and I could grab it if need be. As far as the carbs go, for me I would take short term survival over long term damage and just adapt as best as I could. I’m on Lantus/Humalog, so that would mean taking a LOT of Humalog, but it could be somewhat dealt with.
I’m glad someone’s taking a look at this. I’m a type I, but I simply keep at least 1 month’s backup in the fridge, and I could grab it if need be. As far as the carbs go, for me I would take short term survival over long term damage and just adapt as best as I could. I’m on Lantus/Humalog, so that would mean taking a LOT of Humalog, but it could be somewhat dealt with.
I’m glad someone’s taking a look at this. I’m a type I, but I simply keep at least 1 month’s backup in the fridge, and I could grab it if need be. As far as the carbs go, for me I would take short term survival over long term damage and just adapt as best as I could. I’m on Lantus/Humalog, so that would mean taking a LOT of Humalog, but it could be somewhat dealt with.
So, how do the forum’s diabetics prepare their BOBs for an extended “leave”, if necessary.
A couple things are a constant concern:
How do you go about obtaining backup stores of your supplies? (insurance companies simply won’t pay for back-ups anymore and only 30 days at a time)
How do you keep it cool?
food concerns?
i’m sure there are plenty of othersI’m currently authoring an article on survival supplies, (specifically, how to choose storeable food items that don’t cause tremendous spikes in blood glucose) for the ADA magazine. it’s amazing how high in carbs everything in the “survival” world is.
Slainte!
Ron
So, how do the forum’s diabetics prepare their BOBs for an extended “leave”, if necessary.
A couple things are a constant concern:
How do you go about obtaining backup stores of your supplies? (insurance companies simply won’t pay for back-ups anymore and only 30 days at a time)
How do you keep it cool?
food concerns?
i’m sure there are plenty of othersI’m currently authoring an article on survival supplies, (specifically, how to choose storeable food items that don’t cause tremendous spikes in blood glucose) for the ADA magazine. it’s amazing how high in carbs everything in the “survival” world is.
Slainte!
Ron
So, how do the forum’s diabetics prepare their BOBs for an extended “leave”, if necessary.
A couple things are a constant concern:
How do you go about obtaining backup stores of your supplies? (insurance companies simply won’t pay for back-ups anymore and only 30 days at a time)
How do you keep it cool?
food concerns?
i’m sure there are plenty of othersI’m currently authoring an article on survival supplies, (specifically, how to choose storeable food items that don’t cause tremendous spikes in blood glucose) for the ADA magazine. it’s amazing how high in carbs everything in the “survival” world is.
Slainte!
Ron
My response would depend on the location (Rural or back country). Unless you know the person, or saw them pass out and are certain that they did not pass out for a reason other then diabetes i would never put anything in their mouth. It is one of the body’s natural responses to food in the mouth to salivate, and that could be enough to asphixiate patient.
In the back country however if i had a prolonged transport time for the patient to proper care, I would only place some sugary substance between the patient’s cheen and gum if i could lay them in the recovery position (gluecose side down), and if there were no other gross medical issues with the patient.
over all though it’s very risky putting simething in an unconciou patient’s mouth, and most of the time the best they can get is glucose saline solution via IV.
My response would depend on the location (Rural or back country). Unless you know the person, or saw them pass out and are certain that they did not pass out for a reason other then diabetes i would never put anything in their mouth. It is one of the body’s natural responses to food in the mouth to salivate, and that could be enough to asphixiate patient.
In the back country however if i had a prolonged transport time for the patient to proper care, I would only place some sugary substance between the patient’s cheen and gum if i could lay them in the recovery position (gluecose side down), and if there were no other gross medical issues with the patient.
over all though it’s very risky putting simething in an unconciou patient’s mouth, and most of the time the best they can get is glucose saline solution via IV.
