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    ABCDE & CABDE (situation dependent)

    in reply to: What cell phone are you using now? #21170
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    Sony Ericsson Xperia X8
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    How do you like the phone? I’ve used the Sony Ericsson walkman phones. One of the best sounding phones I’ve used. Plus they came with some sweet ear buds at the time.

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    An outdated Droid X, when I get back home I am going to invest in an iPhone, I cannot wait as I have been teasing myself about it for some time now.
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    Good timing since apple is announcing the iPhone “5” today.

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    FiaOlleDog said: ↑
    As stated before the most important stuff is skills, frequently training, and agility (to adopt to the situation), followed by equipment/gear.
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    That pretty much nails it. Under high stress in emergency situations, people almost never “rise to the occasion”, they fall to the lowest level of their training. I’ve found medical skills to actually be quite perishable. I’m in and out of the first response stuff, and I discovered that if I don’t keep up on my skills the quickly stagnate. I’ve had to make a point to take extra courses, or at minimum do some reading and practice drills (my wife just looooooves being the patient LOL). I’m fortunate too that my certifying body requires me to maintain “continuing competency” so I get courses to do.

    Even if you don’t do this stuff for work or in a professional setting, taking a weekend first aid course every year is a good refresher. Bound Tree University has lots of free, online EMS related courses and is used as part of my continuing competency requirements. Can’t hurt to find some on there that are within your scope of practice and do a little reading.

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    Thanks for all the answers and insights – especially from those emergency medical staff that deals often (daily) with this.

    Maybe it’s only me, but MARCH is something I can remember much better than the many variations of ABC:
    ABC
    ABCD
    ABCDE
    ABCDEF
    ABCDEFG
    AcBC
    CABC
    DR ABC
    DRsABC
    DRSABCD
    As stated before the most important stuff is skills, frequently training, and agility (to adopt to the situation), followed by equipment/gear.

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    Sony Ericsson Xperia X8

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    Russ Prechtl said: ↑
    Active paramedic and trauma instructor here with 35+ years experience. I use ABCDE with modifications every day when taking care of people. The trick is to change it based on the needs of the situation. You are supposed to change it to “CABDE” when life-threatening hemorrhage or cardiac arrest is present. To your point, you don’t worry about A and B first when heavy bleeding is present or if no blood is circulating. Otherwise, you use ABCDE.

    That’s why getting training is so critical. People can’t just follow an acronym blindly for best results. You have to know how to adjust based on the needs of the patient. There are no cookbook situations!
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    Emergency Medical Responder here. I agree with the above.

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    An outdated Droid X, when I get back home I am going to invest in an iPhone, I cannot wait as I have been teasing myself about it for some time now.

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    Personally I think ABCDE (with the caveats that Russ went into) is still a very good baseline for most situations. It’s simple to remember for the layperson and first responder who may not primarily do medical calls and are already trying to remember OPQRST, SAMPLE, GCS, and so on while adrenaline is going.

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    FiaOlleDog said: ↑
    It looks like (modified) ABCDE still leads …

    @RogerStenning Can you share why it is surprising and not?
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    It’s surprising that they have failed to move with a system for clearing casualties and preserving life that’s been proven on the battlefield and in mass-casualty events, but not surprising, because the H&SAW doctrine does not address mass casualty events, only single casualty incidents in the workplace, despite there having been notable mass casualty events on workplaces in recent years (particularly terrorist events where first aiders would be expected to use their training to save life, regardless of a victims employment status). Like I said, surprising, and yet not.

    And yes, modified ABCDE is what I use, effectively M/AB(C)DE, although that’s a bit of a mouthful!

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    I don’t see the big stink, until just a few years ago every new phone I got had a different connector. Now micro USB is a pretty good slandered, but do you really think that will stay? I’m upset that it most likely won’t be a MagSafe connector. That would of been awesome and also allowed some really cool docking station options
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    I agree with all of the above. Apple’s connector was far superior to the micro USB on my Nexus (easier connection, felt more sturdy, ubiquitous). Going to the magnetic type connector like my old Macbook Pro would have been really awesome IMO.

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    IPhone users. Are you upset about the small docking pin on the up coming iPhone 5? I’m sure there will be adapters but what do you think of getting a whole new set of accessories?

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    I don’t see the big stink, until just a few years ago every new phone I got had a different connector. Now micro USB is a pretty good slandered, but do you really think that will stay? I’m upset that it most likely won’t be a MagSafe connector. That would of been awesome and also allowed some really cool docking station options

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    Verizon Galaxy Nexus living in an OtterBox Commuter running 4.1 JellyBean running SlimBean. (As the name implied, its a smaller faster slimmed down jellybean flavoured ROM.)

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    IPhone users. Are you upset about the small docking pin on the up coming iPhone 5? I’m sure there will be adapters but what do you think of getting a whole new set of accessories?

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    Another iPhone 4S user here.

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