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Thanks for all the answers and insights – especially from those emergency medical staff that deals often (daily) with this.
Maybe it’s only me, but MARCH is something I can remember much better than the many variations of ABC:
ABC
ABCD
ABCDE
ABCDEF
ABCDEFG
AcBC
CABC
DR ABC
DRsABC
DRSABCD
As stated before the most important stuff is skills, frequently training, and agility (to adopt to the situation), followed by equipment/gear.Russ Prechtl said: ↑
Active paramedic and trauma instructor here with 35+ years experience. I use ABCDE with modifications every day when taking care of people. The trick is to change it based on the needs of the situation. You are supposed to change it to “CABDE” when life-threatening hemorrhage or cardiac arrest is present. To your point, you don’t worry about A and B first when heavy bleeding is present or if no blood is circulating. Otherwise, you use ABCDE.That’s why getting training is so critical. People can’t just follow an acronym blindly for best results. You have to know how to adjust based on the needs of the patient. There are no cookbook situations!
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Emergency Medical Responder here. I agree with the above.An outdated Droid X, when I get back home I am going to invest in an iPhone, I cannot wait as I have been teasing myself about it for some time now.
Personally I think ABCDE (with the caveats that Russ went into) is still a very good baseline for most situations. It’s simple to remember for the layperson and first responder who may not primarily do medical calls and are already trying to remember OPQRST, SAMPLE, GCS, and so on while adrenaline is going.
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It looks like (modified) ABCDE still leads …@RogerStenning Can you share why it is surprising and not?
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It’s surprising that they have failed to move with a system for clearing casualties and preserving life that’s been proven on the battlefield and in mass-casualty events, but not surprising, because the H&SAW doctrine does not address mass casualty events, only single casualty incidents in the workplace, despite there having been notable mass casualty events on workplaces in recent years (particularly terrorist events where first aiders would be expected to use their training to save life, regardless of a victims employment status). Like I said, surprising, and yet not.And yes, modified ABCDE is what I use, effectively M/AB(C)DE, although that’s a bit of a mouthful!
I don’t see the big stink, until just a few years ago every new phone I got had a different connector. Now micro USB is a pretty good slandered, but do you really think that will stay? I’m upset that it most likely won’t be a MagSafe connector. That would of been awesome and also allowed some really cool docking station options
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I agree with all of the above. Apple’s connector was far superior to the micro USB on my Nexus (easier connection, felt more sturdy, ubiquitous). Going to the magnetic type connector like my old Macbook Pro would have been really awesome IMO.IPhone users. Are you upset about the small docking pin on the up coming iPhone 5? I’m sure there will be adapters but what do you think of getting a whole new set of accessories?
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I don’t see the big stink, until just a few years ago every new phone I got had a different connector. Now micro USB is a pretty good slandered, but do you really think that will stay? I’m upset that it most likely won’t be a MagSafe connector. That would of been awesome and also allowed some really cool docking station optionsJoined:
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IPhone users. Are you upset about the small docking pin on the up coming iPhone 5? I’m sure there will be adapters but what do you think of getting a whole new set of accessories?Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2
It looks like (modified) ABCDE still leads …
@RogerStenning Can you share why it is surprising and not?
I trained ABCDE in civilian first aid courses back in the 80s, joined the reserves (the Territorial Army as was, not the Army reserve) in the 90s where it was also taught (with variation for traumatic injuries, mostly battlefield related, this before MARCH became an international thing), and back to civilian courses, where it was once again ABCDE. Even in the professional courses I’ve taken (HSE at Work), it’s ABCDE, and not MARCH, which is surprising in some ways, and in others, not so much).
